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	<title>Comments on: Aion vs World of WarCraft: Launch Conditions</title>
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		<title>By: Sarentack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarentack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 18:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I played WOW since launch, the game lost its touch long time ago at the launch of WOTLK, some could say it got horrible when TBC launched as well. I think its because before the expansion, Classic WOW got it right after a long time which became unbalanced quickly when TBC came out.

right now WOW is in the shitter, you could throw around subscription numbers, but most of the 12 million subs are people with multiple accounts and China/Chinese gold sellers, which if you look at the MMO numbers recently, their was a huge drop off in Subscriptions back in July-Sept of last year where that 12 million dropped down to 6 million, then shot back up to 12 million all of a sudden, this was the China markets influence.

When compared to Aion which has put out more subscribers of any other MMO not named WOW, Aion aint far away from being the MMO choice if NCSoft plays its cards right, and all NCSoft has to do is put down a pair of 2&#039;s, because the problem with WOW is it went into the 10 year olds hands and became the MMO for dummies, little to accomplish in WOW anymore without going through the politics the guilds play and the highly exploitable PVP system it has, especially for arena play.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I played WOW since launch, the game lost its touch long time ago at the launch of WOTLK, some could say it got horrible when TBC launched as well. I think its because before the expansion, Classic WOW got it right after a long time which became unbalanced quickly when TBC came out.</p>
<p>right now WOW is in the shitter, you could throw around subscription numbers, but most of the 12 million subs are people with multiple accounts and China/Chinese gold sellers, which if you look at the MMO numbers recently, their was a huge drop off in Subscriptions back in July-Sept of last year where that 12 million dropped down to 6 million, then shot back up to 12 million all of a sudden, this was the China markets influence.</p>
<p>When compared to Aion which has put out more subscribers of any other MMO not named WOW, Aion aint far away from being the MMO choice if NCSoft plays its cards right, and all NCSoft has to do is put down a pair of 2&#8242;s, because the problem with WOW is it went into the 10 year olds hands and became the MMO for dummies, little to accomplish in WOW anymore without going through the politics the guilds play and the highly exploitable PVP system it has, especially for arena play.</p>
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		<title>By: diablo 3 hacks</title>
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		<dc:creator>diablo 3 hacks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 04:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My friends and I been playing WoW since the day it came out and have been on the edge of our seats ever since. It brings us all together and the positive social atmosphere is what makes this so popular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friends and I been playing WoW since the day it came out and have been on the edge of our seats ever since. It brings us all together and the positive social atmosphere is what makes this so popular.</p>
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		<title>By: whitefire7</title>
		<link>http://gamedrone.net/2009/08/31/aion-vs-world-of-warcraft-launch-conditions/comment-page-1/#comment-148</link>
		<dc:creator>whitefire7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article.  Other then the fact that something can become boring, dull, or not very surprising anymore (always happens with pretty much anything) WOW has added much to the genre of MMOs. It also put a very interesting standard that (sadly sometimes) many companies feel they have to follow to &quot;grab&quot; subscribers from the monster WOW.
  When I say added much....this is what I am referring too:

1. A very Solo friendly MMO
2. Accessibility without the need for large numbers (anymore)
3. Not having to worry that your lack of being able to play (some people do have busy llives) will make you fall too far behind.
4. Many fights that are more then a Tank and Spank (Very well done instances)
5. Fast paced pvp (very console style).
6. Not alot of time is needed to get something out of it.

   Those are some of the things that WOW added to the MMO genre.  One thing blizzard does well is create games that are fun, and that many seem to enjoy (the primary point to a game most of the time).

    Any new game will of course draw attention.  Its new...that is why.  The thing about WOW ....that i feel draws people is what many also call it flaws. It is &quot;easy&quot; for lack of a better statement.   The things I stated that WOW added to the MMO genre are also somethings that many feel make it too easy...or no challenge.  I feel this is mis-understood.  Yes, gaining nice gear is easy...but it is not the best.  I do not have to spend tons of time just to gain one small piece of something &quot;epic&quot; in a patch time frame before it is worthless come next patch. Sadly...many who did have time to dedicate would get much of such rare item and feel higher.  Blizzard &quot;fixed&quot; this....thus many can get epics...sad thing is...many do not feel higher or unique in the venture.

The game itself (instances, fights and such) have not gotten easier...in fact they require much more tactics then a the game used too.  Many more have to have an idea of what is going on to win.  What has gotten easier is the time needed to actually win.  What used to take hours (for many) to just start (40 mans) and many hours to complete (due to length and trying to keep 40 in the same place) now does not.

   Sadly...many feel that game is too easy because it is more accessible.   I do not feel that the actual game play is easy...just that ALOT ot time is not needed to feel a sense of acomplishment (or get gear to even allow you to attempt ing instances). Because not much time is needed...people are able to check out new games..knowing that they can pretty much jump right back into WOW without falling far behind the &quot;top&quot; player (end game re say) curve.

   Many get the wrong sense of a fight (or challenge)...because they require people in gear that is better then the gear of the instance to be in thier group; thus being carried.  When they run into a group that is about right in gear and skill to just start an encounter....a wipe is more or less about to happen (has nothing to do with the fact that those players are good at thier class or will be great in the encounter once learned).  When it does...the person that never really got the challenge in the first place feels he is ellite and leaves....looking for that group that can carry him.  Thus making the game &quot;easier&quot; for that player.  The game still is challenging (if you get into something with others that have not done it)...but many can and will following the shadow of those that have done the challenge and are helping gear up the rest. This is a problem with any MMO.....normally used with Power lvling, giving high lvl items to low lvls, high lvl follow around, etc.

    Aion is just a different game that brings its own taste to the genre. It is fun in it own right.  Time can only tell if it will pull the customer base it needs to remain alive.  The question is not really....,&quot;will it kill WOW&quot;.  WoW will end some day. :)

   WOW does one thing I really like to the genre.....it opened it up....now many need to come up with something to really grab you. :)


Yea...I typed alot about wow...but wanted to get my point out lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article.  Other then the fact that something can become boring, dull, or not very surprising anymore (always happens with pretty much anything) WOW has added much to the genre of MMOs. It also put a very interesting standard that (sadly sometimes) many companies feel they have to follow to &#8220;grab&#8221; subscribers from the monster WOW.<br />
  When I say added much&#8230;.this is what I am referring too:</p>
<p>1. A very Solo friendly MMO<br />
2. Accessibility without the need for large numbers (anymore)<br />
3. Not having to worry that your lack of being able to play (some people do have busy llives) will make you fall too far behind.<br />
4. Many fights that are more then a Tank and Spank (Very well done instances)<br />
5. Fast paced pvp (very console style).<br />
6. Not alot of time is needed to get something out of it.</p>
<p>   Those are some of the things that WOW added to the MMO genre.  One thing blizzard does well is create games that are fun, and that many seem to enjoy (the primary point to a game most of the time).</p>
<p>    Any new game will of course draw attention.  Its new&#8230;that is why.  The thing about WOW &#8230;.that i feel draws people is what many also call it flaws. It is &#8220;easy&#8221; for lack of a better statement.   The things I stated that WOW added to the MMO genre are also somethings that many feel make it too easy&#8230;or no challenge.  I feel this is mis-understood.  Yes, gaining nice gear is easy&#8230;but it is not the best.  I do not have to spend tons of time just to gain one small piece of something &#8220;epic&#8221; in a patch time frame before it is worthless come next patch. Sadly&#8230;many who did have time to dedicate would get much of such rare item and feel higher.  Blizzard &#8220;fixed&#8221; this&#8230;.thus many can get epics&#8230;sad thing is&#8230;many do not feel higher or unique in the venture.</p>
<p>The game itself (instances, fights and such) have not gotten easier&#8230;in fact they require much more tactics then a the game used too.  Many more have to have an idea of what is going on to win.  What has gotten easier is the time needed to actually win.  What used to take hours (for many) to just start (40 mans) and many hours to complete (due to length and trying to keep 40 in the same place) now does not.</p>
<p>   Sadly&#8230;many feel that game is too easy because it is more accessible.   I do not feel that the actual game play is easy&#8230;just that ALOT ot time is not needed to feel a sense of acomplishment (or get gear to even allow you to attempt ing instances). Because not much time is needed&#8230;people are able to check out new games..knowing that they can pretty much jump right back into WOW without falling far behind the &#8220;top&#8221; player (end game re say) curve.</p>
<p>   Many get the wrong sense of a fight (or challenge)&#8230;because they require people in gear that is better then the gear of the instance to be in thier group; thus being carried.  When they run into a group that is about right in gear and skill to just start an encounter&#8230;.a wipe is more or less about to happen (has nothing to do with the fact that those players are good at thier class or will be great in the encounter once learned).  When it does&#8230;the person that never really got the challenge in the first place feels he is ellite and leaves&#8230;.looking for that group that can carry him.  Thus making the game &#8220;easier&#8221; for that player.  The game still is challenging (if you get into something with others that have not done it)&#8230;but many can and will following the shadow of those that have done the challenge and are helping gear up the rest. This is a problem with any MMO&#8230;..normally used with Power lvling, giving high lvl items to low lvls, high lvl follow around, etc.</p>
<p>    Aion is just a different game that brings its own taste to the genre. It is fun in it own right.  Time can only tell if it will pull the customer base it needs to remain alive.  The question is not really&#8230;.,&#8221;will it kill WOW&#8221;.  WoW will end some day. :)</p>
<p>   WOW does one thing I really like to the genre&#8230;..it opened it up&#8230;.now many need to come up with something to really grab you. :)</p>
<p>Yea&#8230;I typed alot about wow&#8230;but wanted to get my point out lol.</p>
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		<title>By: Docfeelbad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Docfeelbad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 03:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I&#039;m liking about Aion right now (level 20 sorc) is that the game feels a lot like how WoW felt when it was new.  People leveling up their first toons.  No one &quot;knows it all&quot; yet.  And much like WoW when it first started, no damage meters or mods that tell you what to do and how to beat things.  Basicly no addons.  No one demanding to see a list of achievements or demanding you do X dps.  You just play it and have fun.  That&#039;s how I remember WoW being back in 2004.

I&#039;d recommend this game to anyone who liked what WoW once was, but don&#039;t really care for what it has become (too easy).  And before people reply with &quot;wow was never hard&quot;... play WoW with no addons, and only raid in group that don&#039;t use any addons, then tell me it&#039;s easy.  All that modding really ruined the game imo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#8217;m liking about Aion right now (level 20 sorc) is that the game feels a lot like how WoW felt when it was new.  People leveling up their first toons.  No one &#8220;knows it all&#8221; yet.  And much like WoW when it first started, no damage meters or mods that tell you what to do and how to beat things.  Basicly no addons.  No one demanding to see a list of achievements or demanding you do X dps.  You just play it and have fun.  That&#8217;s how I remember WoW being back in 2004.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d recommend this game to anyone who liked what WoW once was, but don&#8217;t really care for what it has become (too easy).  And before people reply with &#8220;wow was never hard&#8221;&#8230; play WoW with no addons, and only raid in group that don&#8217;t use any addons, then tell me it&#8217;s easy.  All that modding really ruined the game imo.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://gamedrone.net/2009/08/31/aion-vs-world-of-warcraft-launch-conditions/comment-page-1/#comment-146</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 04:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to say .. aion.. combines games like cabal, last chaos , rappelz, and world of warcraft into one. The simpleness of world of warcrcraft and the pretty nice community and organized raids and pvp is what i like the most. Aion is just like all games like cabal, last chaos and stuff, and zomg huge combat animation!! Big fucking deal.. WAY to many games had that way before this and its way to flashy. Also.. too many free games basically exactly like this.. and thats why i think this is extremely retarded.. i played rappelz for about two weeks.. got bored.. then this gives me that same feeling.. since is almost the same. (the feel not the gameplay) Don&#039;t get me wrong seems to be a decent game, but still is missing that certain feel that wow is able to give me. Maybe with further patches they can make me switch to Aion.. even though ive been bored of wow since i hit lvl 60.. ALL other mmo&#039;s bore me more</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to say .. aion.. combines games like cabal, last chaos , rappelz, and world of warcraft into one. The simpleness of world of warcrcraft and the pretty nice community and organized raids and pvp is what i like the most. Aion is just like all games like cabal, last chaos and stuff, and zomg huge combat animation!! Big fucking deal.. WAY to many games had that way before this and its way to flashy. Also.. too many free games basically exactly like this.. and thats why i think this is extremely retarded.. i played rappelz for about two weeks.. got bored.. then this gives me that same feeling.. since is almost the same. (the feel not the gameplay) Don&#8217;t get me wrong seems to be a decent game, but still is missing that certain feel that wow is able to give me. Maybe with further patches they can make me switch to Aion.. even though ive been bored of wow since i hit lvl 60.. ALL other mmo&#8217;s bore me more</p>
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		<title>By: bubba</title>
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		<dc:creator>bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>basically from what this guy  wrote in this  website sums up i think of  how alot  of  wow players  thats been playing for a while are feeling

http://elliotinaion.wordpress.com/2009/06/04/aion-vs-wow-a-conclusion/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>basically from what this guy  wrote in this  website sums up i think of  how alot  of  wow players  thats been playing for a while are feeling</p>
<p><a href="http://elliotinaion.wordpress.com/2009/06/04/aion-vs-wow-a-conclusion/" rel="nofollow">http://elliotinaion.wordpress.com/2009/06/04/aion-vs-wow-a-conclusion/</a></p>
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		<title>By: bubba</title>
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		<dc:creator>bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well ive been wondering how aion is  compared to wow also , Ive been playing  wow now for 3 years longest time I ever played a game at first and even till lately the game was great.but I do feel i need a change , plus not to mention nerfs and  buffs classes  get now plus  that dam faction switching i think just ruined the idea of the  game pvp wise , and i know its a mmo relaying on others to do almost anything now at lvl 80 , guess im looking for more solo driven game now and i know im probably never gonna find that from a online  mmo .lol I did  like  the idea of  guildwars were u could hire  a npc  if  u were down 1-2 players and im not sure if  aion has something like that ??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well ive been wondering how aion is  compared to wow also , Ive been playing  wow now for 3 years longest time I ever played a game at first and even till lately the game was great.but I do feel i need a change , plus not to mention nerfs and  buffs classes  get now plus  that dam faction switching i think just ruined the idea of the  game pvp wise , and i know its a mmo relaying on others to do almost anything now at lvl 80 , guess im looking for more solo driven game now and i know im probably never gonna find that from a online  mmo .lol I did  like  the idea of  guildwars were u could hire  a npc  if  u were down 1-2 players and im not sure if  aion has something like that ??</p>
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		<title>By: Droniac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Droniac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 10:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sincerely doubt that Aion will crash and burn like WAR and AoC. It might lose some subs a few months in, but even that&#039;s not guaranteed.

If it was going to do that poorly then we&#039;d be seeing the first signs of mass exodus right now (three weeks in). Yet all of the first-batch servers are still queued up every night. And all of the community polls and player feedback seem to indicate that the subscriber retention rate will be... oh... 85% or so.

It may not become WoW 2 at millions of subscribers, but it does seem like Aion will do well for some time to come.

As for the community: Aion&#039;s (in-game) community has been surprisingly friendly, helpful and mature. There have been the inevitable immature discussions in general chat, especially on Gorgos, but overall it&#039;s a lot better than most MMORPGs (WoW definitely included).

As a result, it comes nowhere near HoN&#039;s terrible community. This is not a game where newbies will get kicked out of Noob Only servers for ... being Noob. It&#039;s too bad that Heroes of Newerth is a great game to play, because the community is just appalling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sincerely doubt that Aion will crash and burn like WAR and AoC. It might lose some subs a few months in, but even that&#8217;s not guaranteed.</p>
<p>If it was going to do that poorly then we&#8217;d be seeing the first signs of mass exodus right now (three weeks in). Yet all of the first-batch servers are still queued up every night. And all of the community polls and player feedback seem to indicate that the subscriber retention rate will be&#8230; oh&#8230; 85% or so.</p>
<p>It may not become WoW 2 at millions of subscribers, but it does seem like Aion will do well for some time to come.</p>
<p>As for the community: Aion&#8217;s (in-game) community has been surprisingly friendly, helpful and mature. There have been the inevitable immature discussions in general chat, especially on Gorgos, but overall it&#8217;s a lot better than most MMORPGs (WoW definitely included).</p>
<p>As a result, it comes nowhere near HoN&#8217;s terrible community. This is not a game where newbies will get kicked out of Noob Only servers for &#8230; being Noob. It&#8217;s too bad that Heroes of Newerth is a great game to play, because the community is just appalling.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://gamedrone.net/2009/08/31/aion-vs-world-of-warcraft-launch-conditions/comment-page-1/#comment-142</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 07:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, so far the Aion community seems like even more of a joke than the Heroes of Newerth community.

Jokers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, so far the Aion community seems like even more of a joke than the Heroes of Newerth community.</p>
<p>Jokers.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://gamedrone.net/2009/08/31/aion-vs-world-of-warcraft-launch-conditions/comment-page-1/#comment-141</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 07:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s amazing.

I&#039;m really happy for you and all, but I promise you this will die (Hopefully) quietly in a grave, right next to Warhammer and AOC.

Also, your childish mannerisms make me chuckle.

I&#039;m leaving this thread to die now, come back in six months and you can suck me or something for being right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s amazing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really happy for you and all, but I promise you this will die (Hopefully) quietly in a grave, right next to Warhammer and AOC.</p>
<p>Also, your childish mannerisms make me chuckle.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m leaving this thread to die now, come back in six months and you can suck me or something for being right.</p>
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